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Black Hole Ships


This Episode is sponsored by Skillshare Black holes are often portrayed as scary world-eating monsters, but what if they are actually the
batteries that will power our future among the stars? So today we are looking at how we can potentially use black holes in the future, and it’s
a topic we actually covered early in the channel but I thought it deserved a second visit and
an expansion. Black holes offer a lot of options for any civilization that can master them
and it’s too much for one episode, so we’ll do a crossover series looking at their implications
for some of our other episodes over the next few months, and today we will focus on their
use in moving spaceships in our Generation Ships series. We’ll follow that up with
an Outward Bound episode on Colonizing Black Holes, and then a visit to our Space Warfare
series with Weaponizing Black Holes. But we should start by talking about what
black holes are and what they aren’t, and how artificial ones might differ from natural
ones and the various ways we can draw energy from them. Contrary to popular belief in fiction,
black holes do not just suck material into them, indeed a star that’s turned into one
has a lot less gravitational force than it used to and you could normally fly by one
far closer than you could fly by a star of the same mass without being harmed in the
least bit. It’s common to say that black holes are
so massive that even light cannot escape them, but this is wrong. It’s less common and
less inaccurate to say that black holes are so dense, that even light can’t escape them.
But both remarks paint a false portrait that’s only right because our most common known examples
of black holes are those naturally created by stars dying, which are of course quite
massive. There is a concept in physics called an event
horizon, which like the normal horizon on Earth, is a place where you can’t see events
occurring beyond it. The difference is that on Earth, if you live in a village you can
walk over to that horizon, see what’s going on, and walk back home to tell everyone what
you saw. Obviously if you lived on a planet that was a big balloon, constantly expanding,
you’d have to walk further to get to that horizon as it’s further away on larger spheres,
and you’d have to walk faster than it was expanding in order to take a look and come
home. At an extragalactic scale, this is gives us something called the Cosmological Event
Horizon, from the expansion of the Universe, and in general in physics it means light speed
because that’s the fastest we, or any information, can go. While a Black Hole is a name more
fitting for the Event Horizon of an object, where gravity prevents light from escaping,
rather than what that object is, we’re rather stuck with the term these days.
Every object in this Universe has gravity it gives off, based on its mass, though in
fact it’s the total energy it has, not its mass that really matters, mass just happens
to be the type of energy most usually relevant for this. The gravity generated by this pulls
on you and there’s a speed, based on that mass and how far you are from it, that you
could be moving away from it so you’d never be pulled back to it and thus would escape…
the escape velocity. The equation for this is just the square root of twice the mass
over the distance from that object, usually we’re talking about launching from its surface
so that distance is that object’s radius. Looking at that equation though, you’d note
that if the mass increases or the distance from it decreases, the escape velocity will
rise, and if either the mass rises enough or the distance drops enough, that escape
velocity will rise until it reaches the speed of light. It doesn’t magically stop there
or anything, you can go higher, but no photons are going to reach you from that place, you
will see darkness even if someone were shining a flashlight at you from in there, a black
hole, and you can’t see what they’re doing, as they are over the horizon where you can
see events. Any mass, at all, is going to have a distance
this would occur at, but it’s usually less than the radius of the object and once you
get lower down, a lot of the mass generating that gravity is above you and has to be discounted.
If you could compress it all down to a tiny point, then any mass would have an event horizon,
but to generate an event horizon the size of a typical living room, you’d have to
compress the planet Jupiter down into a space that size, and Earth would have to be compressed
to the size of a marble. The problem is, when you compress stuff it
heats up, and little particles that are hot enough can escape from a planet if you do,
and naturally occurring massive objects are inevitably composed mostly of hydrogen and
helium, which fuse and release more heat shoving things apart. Even if you took iron, which
cannot fuse, and packed it all in one place, the heat released as it crunched up would
vaporize those outer layers and blow them off, so just stacking endless trillions of
tons of iron somewhere would only make a black hole if you took your time about it, letting
it cool as you added mass. Hypothetical Iron Stars collapsing into black holes is something
we looked at in Civilizations at the End of Time, and can exist exactly because they have
eons to cool down as they slowly form by quantum processes. Given the series title, this approach
isn’t too fast, though you can do it faster than that.
So black holes just don’t form naturally below a certain mass, a mass greater than
our own Sun, but that only covers natural formation and we’re not limited to that
approach, and the physics doesn’t change for how they operate if they’re smaller
either, though a lot of their properties do. Now, we’ll focus on small artificial black
holes throughout this series but there are ways to use existing black holes, natural
ones, for useful purposes including propelling spaceships. The problem is that naturally
occurring black holes are really very uncommon. Only about 1 in 1000 stars that form is massive
enough to die as a black hole and they tend not to be located where they’d be very useful
for the typical civilization, particularly considering their presence would be prone
to discourage civilizations evolving there. We’ll talk more about how civilizations
could find them useful in Colonizing Black Holes in three weeks, but in terms of running
starships, we do have a few options. First off, the easiest way to locate black
holes these days is by their accretion discs, matter that falls into orbit around them and
slams into other matter as they slowly decay in orbit and fall down. The same as anything
falling down a gravity well, it gains a lot of energy as it does so, and will release
this as radiation, which so long as it does it outside the event horizon can be captured
and used like any other energy. This is the conceptually easiest way to tap black holes
for power, you spray a jet of matter at it, aiming just off to the side so it enters a
close and elliptical orbit, and that jet will create a nice whirlpool of matter that gets
crowded and hot and turns that black hole into a big power plant.
For a non-rotating black hole, such a process can let you achieve a 6% matter to energy
conversion rate. That sounds measly, but remember that’s matter to energy, E=mc², throw a
gallon of gasoline on a fire, 2.75 kilograms of mass, and you’ll release 120 million
joules of energy, throw it down a non-rotating black hole yielding a 6% mass-energy conversion,
and you will get almost 15 quadrillion joules back, 124 million times more energy than burning
it got you, of course the black hole gets even more, but it did a lot of work to get
that so it deserves the lion’s share. This is also much better than using a Sun,
since Fusion generally doesn’t even give you 1% mass to energy conversion, and most
stars don’t fuse all their matter and take a long time doing it, indeed the most efficient
ones live half of eternity, whereas the really bright ones that give off the most power tend
to explode long before they’ve burned more than a fraction of their mass. Your default
black hole is thus a way more efficient power reactor and you can also throttle it a lot
better than a star. You are also decently likely to find a nice big source of matter
nearby a black hole since even though they have explosive births, a supernova is not
actually powerful enough to rip apart gas giants in outer planetary orbits. In fact,
one of the ways to find a black hole is to notice a brighter binary companion wobbling
around it. Another way to make one is to start with a less massive neutron star and stuff
it’s binary companion into it too. Needless to say, if you’ve got a giant power
reactor you’ve got an engine, but in this case it would be a slow one like the Shkadov
Thruster method of turning a star into a big spaceship, except you can achieve a higher
final speed with one, though it will be gaining mass while you do this. We’ve a better way
of converting black holes into engines we’ll get to in a moment.
The other obvious method would be to fly a spaceship near one to slingshot off it, but
you are not a cloud of gas so you can’t afford to get too close. This still offers
a fairly nice bump in speed even to ships moving fast enough to consider interstellar
trips on reasonable timelines, but it’s also a very good way to change your direction
on the cheap, one reason black holes might be popular colonial spots down the road, ships
planning really long trips might tend to aim in their general direction so they can change
their course closer to their destination, which might be prone to changing if you’re
part of big colonial efforts where folks might need to change plans as they get closer and
find out more about possible destinations. However, we’re not a gas and we are not
likely to have thousands of ships trying to use one for course changes all the time, so
it’s actually better to turn it into a big power plant and use that to run giant pushing
lasers or matter beams to shove ships with instead, not to mention power a civilization
nearby… or vaporize one, which we’ll discuss when we get to Weaponizing Black Holes.
Despite these problems, we have some other ways to tap black holes of this size for power
and the first is just about remembering what I said about non-rotating black holes earlier,
and in nature they are inevitably rotating and very, very quickly. We’ve got two methods
that take advantage of this: the Penrose Process and the Blandford–Znajek Process, which
allow much better than 6%, at more like 20 to 43% of mass energy conversion, partially
by robbing energy off the black hole from its ergosphere, which incidentally isn’t
a sphere. We will not delve into that today, beyond
noting that ergospheres, are messed up regions of spacetime above the event horizon created
by rotation from which you can extract way more energy than you could by skimming over
the event horizon of a non-rotating black hole. You could never plausibly take a spaceship
into the ergosphere of a typical solar mass black hole and bring anything living out,
even for the more extreme definitions of ‘living’ we use on the channel. But you can extract
energy and we think it is what powers quasars, those enormously energetic events we see in
distant galaxies which we believe to be accretion disks of supermassive black holes. Given that
a quasar is usually pumping out thousands of times more energy than an entire galaxy,
you can see why a scaled down version of this makes a nice power plant.
However, these approaches, while they can be used for moving ships, mostly do so by
otherwise mundane methods, acting as a power source for matter or energy beams to push
ships or a gravity well for slingshotting. The exception to this is turning it directly
into an engine of a truly enormous ship, which I will go ahead and name a quasar drive, and
we’ll talk about that and why you’d do that more in two weeks in Fleet of Stars.
Channel regulars are probably already assuming we’ll be moving on to hawking radiation
next, since these big black holes are obviously not ideal for regular size spaceships, but
there’s a very large mass gap between natural black holes and the kind we’d want to use
for Hawking drives, and trying to make black holes in that range and use their power is
tricky, maybe impossible, so let’s consider scaling our quasar drive down a bit first
instead. To make a black hole you just need to get
a bunch of mass or energy in one spot at a density high enough that it would be inside
its own event horizon. This can potentially be done several ways. The conceptually simplest
is to replicate nature, build yourself a great big ball of iron and wrap that sucker in H-bombs
and implode it. The second would be to slam two such bodies together at very high speed,
amusingly a similar process to how the gun-type nuke works, and also mimicking nature a bit
here too, as colliding neutron stars are thought to produce black holes, not to mention earthloads
of gold and other heavy metals. We’ve discussed the concept of a Relativistic
Kill Missile here before, a plain old hunk of metal accelerated to relativistic speeds,
usually by turning huge stellasers on them to push them up to speed. One way to make
a black hole would be to have two star systems with laser pushing devices shoving a pair
of RKM’s up to enormous speed which then slam into each other, and since a RKM need
not be a simple metal slug but could have some computers, propellant, and guidance on
it, such a terminal rendezvous should be doable. Indeed, you could probably time things to
have a whole bunch slam together at once. An RKM potentially carries many times more
kinetic energy than its mass energy too, and as mentioned, it’s really energy, not specifically
mass, that matters for gravity. A black hole event horizon has a radius or
diameter linear to its mass, double the mass, double the width, so it’s actually easier
to make bigger ones than smaller ones because you don’t need as high a density. For Hawking
Radiation driven ships, these really are only useful in the low megaton range and preferably
kilotons, and we’ll explain why in a moment, but while that seems great for a ship, practically
ideal, there’s no guarantee we could make let alone refuel such a black hole, so a much
bigger artificial black hole, but still a relatively tiny one, might be all we can do.
There’s no real technological hurdles to making an artificial black hole by implosion
or collision, it’s just brute force. Ramming two big trillion ton iron spikes into each
other at 99.9% of light speed is no easy task, but requires no new physics to do it. You
make the smallest black hole you can, then feed it matter and grow it if you need to,
because this method of black hole power generation benefits from size and is about feeding the
black hole. Your feed mechanism then also doubles as your attachment for keeping your
ship tied to the black hole. Black holes respond to force same as anything else does, you just
don’t want to shove on it with your hand or anything else you want back, so your ship
is basically being pulled toward the black hole, and you use the matter beam feeding
it to shove you away from it, and everything involved here is ionized and carrying a charge
so you can use magnetics to direct things. I want to emphasize though, these are BIG
ships, even by this channel’s standards. Hardly the biggest ships we’ve discussed
or will discuss but we’re not talking the Millenium Falcon or Firefly here, or even
the Enterprise. You only go this route if you can’t make black holes less than a megaton,
which is already ten times more massive than an aircraft carrier and would just be the
drive. If the smallest black hole you can make this way is a billion tons, then your
ship and black hole fuel presumably mass in that range too, and now you’re talking about
something O’Neill Cylinder-sized. If the smallest you can make and feed is one with
a nanometer radius, just a bit bigger than an atom, so you can cram atoms into it, then
you’re looking at ships massing around a quadrillion tons, which are likely to be Death
Star sized objects, or if more long and skinny, dozens of kilometers across and hundreds long,
assuming a density just short of water. However, we do have a couple other ways to
pack matter in tight. One example is dark matter, which to the best of our currently
limited knowledge only interacts via gravity, so if you can find another way to interact
with it, and move it about, you could potentially pack the stuff in absurdly tight without having
to worry about it slamming together to heat stuff or fusing. Incidentally, dark matter
would just tend to buzz around a black hole only falling in when it actually rammed the
event horizon. Needless to say, we currently have no idea how to manipulate dark matter
or even what it is for sure, indeed micro-black holes left over from the big bang is one of
the candidates for dark matter, but if we ever figure out how to manipulate it, employing
it for gravity and mass is one possible usage. However, we have other particles that don’t
mind being close to each other or indeed occupying the exact same spot; these are called bosons.
Examples include the Higgs Boson, the gluons that glue quarks together, the Z and W bosons
that mediate the weak nuclear force, and photons. Photons are lightwaves and even a laser pointer
can make, aim and focus them, so this really is old school technology. Much more precisely
aimed photons become much more handy than using them in a Powerpoint presentation. So
the notion would be to make a huge laser and mirror array that lets us dump a huge number
of them into the same spot at the same time. This creates a Kugelblitz black hole. It’s
what lets us seriously contemplate making black holes down beneath the megaton range
that would produce a lot of hawking radiation. Needless to say, this likely requires a huge
power source like a star to get all that energy together and an awful lot of mirrors to keep
it all bouncing and focused. Light moves rather fast so if you’re trying to make something
smaller than an atomic nucleus, which light would fly by in a mere billionth of a trillionth
of a second, you need a lot of juice and a lot of precision.
This is where we get into Hawking Radiation, because other methods all involve big and
massive ships or infrastructure and generally need to be bigger and more massive to produce
more energy, and often grow in mass as you produce energy. Hawking Radiation is the reverse,
the less massive it is, the more power it gives off. It falls off with the square of
mass, half the mass, four times the power, make it ten times more massive, get only a
hundredth the power. Lifetimes go with the cube of mass, ten times more massive, a thousand
times longer lived, as they evaporate slower and have more to evaporate.
Your typical natural black hole gives off so little Hawking Radiation that you’d have
problems detecting it even with our best equipment. Natural black holes are expected to live nearly
forever. That Hawking Radiation is why it is ‘nearly’ forever. We’ve got two common
explanations for this, the Virtual Particle explanation and the classical Hawking explanation
which is similar to the Unruh Effect. Most of us find the virtual particle explanation
easier to give folks, but it really isn’t ideal, virtual particles are always a bit
dubious as an explanatory tool anyway and always leave folks wondering why the negative
mass ones are the ones that fall into the black hole.
Still it is the one I’ve used in the past for discussing the matter mostly because I
hadn’t heard any other examples I felt didn’t require a heavy familiarity with special or
even general relativity to make sense, and we’re really only interested in how much
power these things produce. Last year PBS Spacetime did a really good explanation of
Hawking Radiation and of the Unruh Effect not long after, so I’ll link that instead
for today. For our purposes what matters is that black
holes are theorized to produce a lot of power when they are tiny, again falling off with
the square of mass. I will also link Viktor Toth’s Hawking Radiation Calculator, based
off Jim Wisniewski’s one a lot of us use to save time, though there’s always some
debate about Hawking Radiation values as we’ve no solid model for quantum gravity which certainly
matters when you’re packing a black hole’s large mass into an horizon that’s quantum-sized.
Using that method, a 1 megaton black hole would emit 356 Terawatts of power and live
2665 years, slowly evaporating mass and also growing brighter as it did. One ten times
as massive, 10 megatons, would give off a hundredth of that, 3.56 Terawatts, and live
a thousand times longer, 2.7 million years. One a tenth the mass, 100 kilotons, would
give off a hundred times the power, 35.6 Petawatts, and live a thousandth the time, just 2.7 years.
Needless to say, if you can feed them matter as fast as they expel it as energy, they will
keep emitting power at the same rate and never evaporate. For that 100 kiloton one, you need
to feed it about 396 grams a second or 34 tons of matter a day, any matter you can stuff
down its tiny gullet. The megaton one would need a hundredth of that, 34 kilograms a day,
and the 10 megaton a mere 340 grams a day, not bad considering this big weak one puts
out 2000 times more power than the Hoover Dam for power output.
If you can’t feed them mass, which is dubious because you can make them, that’s still
a very long-lived battery you’ve got there. One important reason why it might end up being
a battery is if the process for making it is wasteful. Grasers, basically lasers operating
in the very small wavelength gamma ray frequency band, would be the best candidates to create
these kugelblitz black holes and they don’t currently exist. So, we have no idea what
their efficiencies would be or what energy source we could use to run a graser.
If it turns out we need fission or solar power, that could limit the black hole to being a
battery as creating it could be less energy efficient than powering the ship using a conventional
reactor generator. Until we actually build a graser and a kugelblitz black hole, we have
little idea of what the feeding of the black hole will entail or its efficiencies.
Incidentally, since someone always asks why I tend to give black holes in tons not kilograms
or pounds, it’s mostly the same reason I do it for spaceships or space stations, normal
seagoing craft are usually discussed in their tonnage and scifi tends to ape that, thus
so do I, and since we’re talking about it as a ship component usually, values get given
in metric tons. Plus I think the kilogram is a stupid basic unit.
Battery or generator, there’s a lot of ways to use the kugelblitz black hole’s power
to run a spaceship’s engine, but if you happen to have something reflective to gamma-rays,
which we don’t yet, you can just spit it all out the back as a giant photon drive,
and if we use the megaton example, and assume nothing but near weightless ship around it,
that thing would experience .12 gees of thrust, or 10 milligee if we assumed the whole ship,
black hole included, weighed 12 megatons, or about 120 aircraft carriers.
Okay, that doesn’t sound fast, but like an ion drive it’s not that it has a lot
of thrust it’s that it will keep it up a long time. Now, we could boost that by the
same method we could run the thing if we didn’t have gamma-reflective materials, which is
by dumping gas in around it to soak up the gamma rays and get hot and ionized and shoved
out the back. But that is paying a mass penalty, as you will run out of fuel much faster than
if you crammed it into that black hole. Incidentally it is not sucking any or much of that gas
in itself, because it is smaller than an atom and emitting a lot of energy. So it’s like
trying to cram a basketball into a spewing garden hose nozzle.
Now the 10 megaton version produces a hundredth the power and has 10 times the mass to push
around, a thousandth the acceleration. While the 100 kiloton version is emitting 100 times
the power and has a tenth the mass, so we’re getting a thousand times the acceleration
out of it. You will also see much higher figures for power output in this mass range in some
discussions, like I mentioned there’s debate about models and I’m opting to use the one
with the handy calculator available online because I know my audience and many will want
to put in their own values. Kicking it down to 10 kilotons of black hole
and that same ratio of ship, you’ve got 10,000 times the power of the 1 megaton black
hole pushing a hundredth the mass, a million times more acceleration, but your black hole
would only live a single day unless fed and would be emitting about 15 times as much power
as hits the Earth from the Sun, as a giant gamma beam out the back side, just as a reminder
of why we say there’s no such thing as an unarmed spaceship and why space travel is
very energy expensive, since you could light several planets up with that much power, instead
of pushing a few thousand folks around. Again depending on models each tends to have
a sweetspot for the ideal mass of a black hole as a ship drive, and it always depends
on if you can feed the thing, and whether you can do the straight photon drive. If you
can feed it, you can also just add more smaller black holes to up your power output for a
bigger ship, need twice the power, slap in two black holes, if you can’t do a smaller
one or it’s not practical to feed it matter. They’re great for efficiency and high maximum
speed anyway, as they match antimatter for mass-energy, and even if you lose a lot of
that by using mass superheated by absorbing the gamma it gives off as your thrust, it
still beats a fusion drive and that version is easy to throttle. Get a megaton one and
you’ve got a power source that’s quite good compared to a fusion drive. Even adding
propellant to get that higher thrust, and that will last you millennia, you just have
to refill on propellant occasionally and literally anything works, and if your fuel storage gets
ruptured, you can still slow down the slow way. Even without a gamma-reflective material,
you can make a large containment chamber and let that heat up to produce radiation in wavelengths
you can reflect. That’s the same trick we discussed using for making black holes into
fake suns earlier this year. Plus, unlike antimatter, they don’t explode, or at least
do so at a set and easily calculable time. Since they are subject to the rocket equation,
they do not quite match a laser-pushed system, which also gets to double up by bouncing light
off a ship not just emitting it. However, you can use them to power those lasers far
more efficiently than a star or fusion reactor will, assuming you can make larger stationary
ones you can feed, an unfeedable black hole is just a battery, not a generator, though
that’s often handy too. The big problem with laser highways is that you are dependent
on that beam. Someone can shut it off, and there are problems keeping it on target especially
at long distances, so you get back that freedom of being able to steer your ship wherever
you want when you want. They work great in combination with laser
highways too, same as we discussed for a fusion economy in Colonizing Neptune, you use the
beams when you can and the engine when you want, and you can get up to a very decent
fraction of light speed this way, such a ship ought to be able to pull off half-light speed,
depending on what you’re carrying and how efficient your setup is and if you’ve got
help speeding up or slowing down. A black hole based ship though, of any of
these varieties we’ve discussed today, is but the tip of the iceberg that a black hole
economy and civilization offer, if we can master them and if our theories about them
are mostly correct. And we’ll be looking at them in more detail in the coming episodes,
so stay tuned… So I get asked fairly frequently about a lot
of the graphics we have on the channel these days and a great number of those are done
in-house by various animators and graphic designers who volunteer their time to bring
these awesome ideas to life. Indeed that’s part of the reason we revisited the topic
of black hole ships, as the original video only had animations I’d done and my talent
for that, especially back then, was nowhere near as good as what they produce. Needless
to say I can’t thank them enough and you can always see more of their work by clicking
on the links to their various art pages down in the video description, where we always
list the editors and musicians who help on the show too, and if you’ve an interest
and time to volunteer helping out, we’re always glad to add to our numbers and I’d
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So as mentioned, we’ll be looking at Colonizing Black Holes in three weeks, and dig more into
a lot of terraforming and industrial application black holes might have. Next week though,
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launch concepts for getting into space by starting off already high up in the sky.
And two weeks from now, we’ll be back to this series to look at the possibility of
using entire stars or whole fleets of them for colonizing the Universe and reshaping
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  • Author's note: Since it seems to be bugging many folks, the kilogram is a stupid 'basic' unit because 'kilo-', basic units shouldn't have prefixes, it's nothing to do with metric vs imperial 🙂 I generally feel the same way about 'centi'-grade, but you never hear someone say it's .2 Celsius today, or that a stars core is X Kilograde hot, so it bugs me less. Plus 'gram' has some other oddities, but you can look those up, actually a rather interesting history on the name.

  • There seem to be a lot of people angry about his statement about the kilogram. The kilogram really is a stupid unit. First of all, who got the stupid idea of having a basic unit with a unit prefix!? Secondly, there is that idea about 1 liter of water being 1 kg and (0.1 m)^3 having both of these properties. Why not just have the basic unit for volume be (1 m)^3 and the basic unit for mass be the mass of 1 basic volume unit of water? That'd make so much more sense than fiddling around with tenths of your basic unit for length and then doing something with a prefix in your basic unit for mass.

  • I've always thought antimatter would be a "fuel" or "battery" similar to these black holes, you have to put more in than you get out.

  • This makes absolutely no sense. Even black hole putting out a thousand degrees Kelvin of Hawking radiation would weigh as much as the moon or more i don't feel like doing the calculations. So the power you would get out would be countered by the amount of energy it would take to move the black hole mass in the first place. And lets not forget the good old Roche limit. Its fun to talk about and test out theories, but man the math hurts my brain.

  • There is no good reason to believe, that the dark matter approach is correct. It is merely a theory, that was conceived after the galaxy rotation could not be explained.

    Since then, a whole host of examples have proven the theory wrong. Most notably (and easiest to understand) is binary stars with extreme rotations. Since dark matter cannot have direct effect inside the galaxy, it cannot explain this behaviour. Yet the binary star behavior perfectly mirrors the galaxy rotation.

    So, the dark matter theory is absolutely no better, than all the other very good partial theories out there. I personally like the Quantized Inertia idea, though it seems very incomplete at the moment.

    My only problem here is, that you give special credit to the dark matter theory. Which you really should not, since it really is no better than other theories. No misinformation please 🙂

  • I subscribe (albeit way too late and having enjoyed much of your content, my apologies) and then you shit on the kg literally seconds after.
    I'm conflicted now.

  • Black men have been trying since time eternal and have not conquered black hoes…. It will never happen….sorry to disappoint…. Huh huh huh

  • What kind of a person would create a measuring system where the numbers don't correlate to each other in any way. 1Lb=16oz, 1oz=141carats. Where as Metric 1Tonne=1000Kg, 1Kg=1000gm, 1gm=1000mg. Metric system has order. Imperial system has Obfuscation in order to confuse the crap out of you. In 1866 the congress authorized the use of Metric system and the STUPID people have not been able to make the transition from Imperial to Metric.
    Though I agree to your theoretical hypothetical theories in your episodes, but in this episode you sounded like you were talking out of your end. Also I would like to say that an advanced civilization that utilizes Plasma and manipulates atoms & matter will not tend to use Newtonian physics. As long as we keep teaching Newtonian physics we will never progress or go faster than speed of light.

  • Tell me true, what is this "futor" you keep talking about? And what do you know about these black hoes you mentioned ? And where is this planet Orth ?`And I know, life sometimes feels bad man, but you do not have to call it the Uniworse …

  • How do you capture the output of a black hole power generator? Do you wrap it in solar cells and beam it to a microwave receiver?

  • Hockey Radiation ??
    I can't believe our neighbor to the North is some kinda science/technology giant equal to the United States… !

  • Metric ? Based on a 19th century imprecise measurement of the speed of light.
    Promoted by the French to be some kinda international standard….

    Yeah Imperial !

  • Everytime I hear Isaac say "feed a black hole" I picture the hand of god spoon feeding a black hole while saying "Open wide for the Airplane Vrrrrroooomm Yum Yum"

  • Just use Birkeland currents to travel with. They already are connected to other galaxies. Its about positive and negative differentials to get from point A to B.

  • Ok i was having a good time until you said that kg is a stupid unit. fuck punds men, you guys are the weirdos using that stupid subjective complicated unit of measure. ITS EASY 1000 grams is one kg. That is how scientist likes to name things, in a eficient simple to understand way, and nothing is more universal that the decimal system ergo the real nonsense is not being able to stop being a baby and admiting that the metrical system is a more eficient system. kilometers meter and liters, and your billons are not billons, they are thousands of millons for god sake ¿why skip that?.

    Also great video, rant from a chemist who had to learn all those damm units of measure aside.

  • Hi Isaac are you saying that a planet with more energy then a planet with more mass would have more gravity then the planet with more mass?

  • I just love that @Isaac Arthur pronounces "volume" as "Valium", the rate of "funny" depends on the sentence of course but it's still funny to me after a whoke lot of times I've heard him say "volume"

  • You really stretch the boundaries of the imagination and physics farther than anything I've ever seen before. You are to be sincerely congratulated, though I do wish you'd leave the weaponization applications out of the discussion. We don't need ways to incinerate whole solar systems or galaxies; some idiot (or even nature herself) would probably use it if it was available.

    This is coming from someone who considers himself an amateur Sci-Fi writer, always looking to expand the horizon. Next to you I'm a frickin' flat earther!

  • So basically you will create a particle accelerating engine that will create a black hole that you will grow with matter for Propulsion

  • Thank you!!! Some of the concepts discussed by Isaac Arthur may seem bizarre, but they are all about simple math and thinking big enough to make things work. All of this is NOWHERE near as silly, as for example "folding space", like in "Dune" and "Wrinkle in Time" and so many other really silly self declared SciFi novels and movies. Think about just folding space on Earth to get from Seattle from New York City. Oh, Yeah, so we crunch the planet and mush it like a Play-Do ball, to get Seattle near New York, so we can jump through a worm Hole that now has a distance of only 3 feet instead of 3000 miles, or 1 Meter instead of 5000 Kilometers. Then we just unfold that space again .. ah .. wait, OUCH we … NO! Earth is mushed now!!! It doesn't work to unmix the stirred up mess by "unfolding" space… PLUS the energy involved is … folding the whole Universe to travel to Andromeda 2-1/2 million light years away? Are you people eating crazy pills? Isaac Arthur, thank you! Of all the hypothetical ponderers out there, you are one of the extremely few, who has it all together!

  • Isaac Arthur, Black Hole's are mythical concepts same as it's parent Gravity, which has been factual and totally DEBUNKED by GAS BONDING !

  • A good rule of thumb for plebs: Neither space nor blackholes are vacuum cleaners. The phrasing "the vacuum of space" is actually quite silly; outer space in particular is merely an area with very little "stuff" in it… ~4 or 5 protons per cubic meter or so but certainly no suction. If our Sun were to suddenly & magically collapse into a blackhole, not much of anything about our solar system would change, only that 8 minutes after the fact it would appear that somebody forgot to pay the monthly interplanetary electric bill. The resulting blackhole would still at an absolute maximum weigh the same as the Sun does now; more likely it would weigh slightly less if some mass was ejected during the collapse. But winter would definitely be coming & be permanent && no more glorious Sunrises to deal with &&& religious idiots would finally have a reprieve of a sort for endlessly and unimaginatively droning on and on and on about some end being nigh. Orbits? Unchanged. Einstein? Proven yet again.

  • "Close passes of an event horizon" — yes, that'd be the most epic slingshot maneuver ever achieved. Two problems: relativistic time dilation, and spaghettification. That is: you might survive the trip, but nobody you knew will be alive to greet you when you get back, and that the differential between the part of your ship closest to the horizon and the part furthest away would be… fantastically catastrophic if one gets anywhere near "too close". (It'd literally pull your ship, and you, apart, through sheer _shear force_, pardon the pun.)

  • I am confused, you said "Naturally forming black holes are uncommon". OK… so then how are the other ones created if not naturally?

  • Speaker Jana Levin mentioned that if you were to cross the event Horizon and survive, you would see light inside – it would not be dark – light would continue circle the singularity, but would not escape the event horizon.
    Q- would you notice the event horizon boundary as you approached it?

    Happy new decade and new year!

  • Hilarious to see science fiction…
    Ok, let me help..
    Black holes don't exist, dark matter and dark energy are also science fiction…
    It's called a PLASMOID and there is a crisis in cosmology as the Enstein fables fall…

  • It's achievable to create a black hole: Just brute force ram 2 iron spikes of a trillion kilotons into each other at 99.99% light speed.

    Damn this level of high scifi is what I'm living for.

  • Black Hole Musings

    Minimum Mass Black Hole – Schwarzchild Radius = Planck Length

    Schwarzchild radius is r = 2 GM/c^2 which implies 11 micrograms of mass is equal to 1.634*10^-35 meters 1 lp = Planck Length.

    A black hole lifetime is given by t = 5120 * pi * G * M^3 / (c^4 * h_bar) = 1.12*10^-40 seconds which is 3.358*10^-32 meters or 2077 lp

    Unbelieveable Power

    Black hole radiated power is P = c^6 * h_bar /(15360 * pi * G^2 * M^2). The power of a black hole that is 11 micrograms is 2.943*10^48 Watts.

    This is 7.648*10^21 times the luminosity of the Sun. This is 114 billion times the luminosity of the the Milky Way galaxy. It is 821 million times the luminosity of a typical quasar.

    Slightly More Massive Black Hole – Incredible Power – Modest Size

    The bond length of a hydrogen molecule is 0.7 Angstrom and it takes light 2.33*10^-19 seconds to travel that distance. A black hole massing 140.4 grams has a lifetime equal to this time interval. Schwarzchild radius is 2.085*10^-28 meters. 12.9 million Planck lengths. The power level is 1.8068*10^34 Watts. This is 46.95 million times the luminosity of the Sun.

    BCS Pairs (from Wikipedia)

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    In condensed matter physics, a Cooper pair or BCS pair is a pair of electrons (or other fermions) bound together at low temperatures in a certain manner first described in 1956 by American physicist Leon Cooper. Cooper showed that an arbitrarily small attraction between electrons in a metal can cause a paired state of electrons to have a lower energy than the Fermi energy, which implies that the pair is bound. In conventional superconductors, this attraction is due to the electron–phonon interaction. The Cooper pair state is responsible for superconductivity, as described in the BCS theory developed by John Bardeen, Leon Cooper, and John Schrieffer for which they shared the 1972 Nobel Prize.

    Although Cooper pairing is a quantum effect, the reason for the pairing can be seen from a simplified classical explanation. An electron in a metal normally behaves as a free particle. The electron is repelled from other electrons due to their negative charge, but it also attracts the positive ions that make up the rigid lattice of the metal. This attraction distorts the ion lattice, moving the ions slightly toward the electron, increasing the positive charge density of the lattice in the vicinity. This positive charge can attract other electrons. At long distances, this attraction between electrons due to the displaced ions can overcome the electrons' repulsion due to their negative charge, and cause them to pair up. The rigorous quantum mechanical explanation shows that the effect is due to electron–phonon interactions, with the phonon being the collective motion of the positively-charged lattice.

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    Question

    BCS Pairs permit electrons to move through a metal lattice without resistance, permitting superconductivity.

    Can gravitational, and gravity wave interactions (equivalent to electro static and phonon interaction in a lattice) in a bound pair of black holes extend the lifetime of the pair indefinitely by exchanging Hawking radiation?

    Yes.

    An engineered lattice of BH pairs that are made to interact in a variety of ways to process information energy and material and achieve a variety of effects including; processing bulk matter into a larger array in an advanced self replicating machine, emitting neutrinos an a neutrino phased array to cause propulsive forces emitted from that surface with no sensible effects, alternatively, power may be emitted from a surface in the form of gamma rays or other EM beam, and produce significant weapons effects. Each pair is exchanging the energy of 94 million suns. A slight instability of just a single pair would match the power output of the sun (for a very short time).

    https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/9811009

    Black Hole Lattice

    A surface with a density of 11.71 billion kg/m2 exerts 1 g of force on surrounding objects. A hexagonal array of stable BH pairs 5.6 micron apart exert 1 g of force. The skin of a spacecraft with this density in a monoplanar array has 41.7 billion BH pairs per square meter and a controlled energy flow within the material equal to 20 million galaxies full of stars.

    Black Hole Starship

    A 10,000 ton payload accelerated at 1 g from Earth to Alpha Centauri attains 95.05 % light speed at 2.15 light years from Earth after 2.97 years star time, 1.78 year ship time, then turns and slows back to interplanetary speeds at 1 g in another 2.15 light years. 5.94 years star time and 3.56 years ship time. Each boost has a mass ratio of

    M0/M1 = exp( atanh( 0.9505 )) = 6.2773

    So, at take off we square that to obtain

    M0/M1 = exp( 2*atanh( 0.9505 )) = 39.4040

    So a 10,000 ton ship requires a 384,040 tons of this material contains 1.403 billion BH pairs and forms a spherical device 103.5 mm in diameter. This is mounted in the CG of the spacecraft and is fully capable of leaving the craft when empty and flying through any available material, sucking it in and forming other BH pairs on demand and flying back and self installing. Several 'empties' are available. Of course power can be extracted to run the ship as well, even when 'empty'. When full the sphere pulls anything on its surface with a 1 gee force. 5 meters a way that falls to 1/10,000th gee.

    394,040 tonnes at take off require 3.866 gigaNewtons of force. This requires 1.159*10^18 Watts of power in the collimated neutrino beam – very modest power level compared to the circulating power discussed previously.

    Ceres could refuel a 10,000 tonne ship 2.4 trillion times. So, one of these ships could be made and fuelled for every man woman and child currently on Earth and flown 159 times to Alpha Centauri and back. Every man woman and child personally possesses power equal to a Kardashev Class 2.856 civilisation. Collectively Humanity would be a Kardashev 3.844 civilisation. This using Carl Sagan's formula for calculating Kardashev scale.

    ln( Power in MW) /(10*ln(10)) = K

  • i bet these are the god tier weapons and technology the necros used in the war in heavens. kardashev 3 civ afterall. though i do find it strange that humanity, in all its glory during the "dark age" of technology didnt leave any remnants of such tech. guessing the men of iron did a bang up job of removing all those spare parts from the megastructures. then again, why didnt they just used the megastructures? perhaps they got nuked by humanity so men of iron wouldnt be able to use them, THEN AGAIN, why werent they rebuilt by men of iron? THEN AGAIN AGAIN, probably destroyed by humanity. so many questions, so many assumptions and noone in this comment section will realise what the actual fuck i'm talking about hehehehehe i love rambling about shit nobody understands

  • These black holes are probably the longest-lived objects in the universe, even outlasting protons, so they must be seen as sources of fuel for future civilizations.

  • Help! Holy Swarthschild Radius: v = root MG over R. My black hole just evaporated and I can't find the Hawking Radiation! What do I do now? (Note to find the S. R. just equate the kinetic energy, 1/2 m (v-squared) to the inverse square law of gravity GmM/(R-squared).

  • I will just pull one of these out of the worm-hole in my pocket and we will be good to go. If you don't like the term black hole, just call them gravity wells.

  • So these would be more efficient than fission reactors. How would they compare in terms of the energy you could get out per mass and in terms of life-times versus long-lived radioactive isotopes such as those of uranium?

  • But is it wise to create artificial holes in space-time like this? What are the repercussions of having artificial black holes in our universe as opposed to naturally occuring ones? How does this affect our universe on a dimensional scale? Could we 'rip' our own universe apart by poking too many 'holes' in it?

  • Interesting and probably worth verifying.
    However, reasonable timeline should not be limited to one's own generation.
    For obvious limits reasons, it is related to fastest speed , records or not, and before the specie becomes extinct, or can no longer adapt , so as to change and survive in another form, if and when it does have to.
    If we wait over 10 or 100 generations to do a trip which would take less than that, even if no humans are on board, we would be delayed by that much time that we did not.
    The reasons for which it may be less reasonable not to have started the trip before, to reach the destination faster, could be related in part to that maximum speed, or fastest possible speed, or potential speed, and so on.

    It is not to marginalize people, or , to be better than them, and so to justify control over them, or any of the other grounds used to create communication gap, or interfere against their communication.
    If we even managed to set up communication with inter-stellar system, it would be a great way to get more accurate info , and more detailed info about that inter-stellar system, and find what is best to do with it .

  • Why a Black Star Could Be the Alternative to a Black Hole

    Someone once said that black holes are where God divided by zero. When using the conventional method of general relativity to obtain the solution to a black hole, the radius reduces to an infinitely small point causing both the gravitational force and density go to infinity. This infinitely small point is called a singularity. Many scientists believe that if the solution to a black hole ends up with infinity, or having a singularity, the solution is not valid. What’s going on?

    To determine what was causing this problem, I needed to know what was happening at the center of a contracting supernova remnant that is large enough to become a black hole. To make this determination, I used the Newtonian method while factoring in relativistic corrections derived from general relativity. This mathematical method, with the aid of Excel and visual basic, takes about a day to run.

    The potential energy released when a one-kilogram mass is moved from a remote position to a position within the gravitational field of a massive object, is called the ‘gravitational potential’. It more directly relates to the ‘gravitational slowing of time’ than any other variable. During the contraction of massive objects larger than 3 solar masses, the gravitational potential, starting at the center, approaches the value of -C2/2, where the ‘rate of time flow’ gets extremely close to being absolutely frozen. Here, motion comes to a standstill.

    The math shows that during the contraction, the decreasing gravitational potential causes time to slow and eventually ‘freeze’. This happens long before the gravitationally formed pressure gets high enough to crush neutron matter and start forming a singularity. It’s like what happens to the rate of time flow near the event horizon of a conventional black hole, except that the time freeze starts at the center. As the layers of matter above this ‘frozen’ center continue to contract, the density increases and the gravitational potential causes the next layer up to freeze. Further contractions cause the freeze to cascade toward the surface, forming a black star. Division by zero does not happen during the creation of black stars.

    While trying to create a black hole, the results unexpectedly led to the creation of a black star which is made up of matter, frozen in time at a fairly uniform density. Each black star size ends up frozen at a unique density. which in turn answers questions like:

    1. Why doesn’t a black star have a singularity?

    2. Why larger black stars are less dense than smaller ones?

    3. Why a black star is created at a fairly uniform density?

    4. Why there are no stellar black stars smaller than 2.2 solar masses?

    5. Why there are no stellar created black stars larger than 15 solar masses?

    6. Why the size of the smallest supermassive black star is 50,000 solar masses?

    7. Why there is such a large gap between stellar black stars and supermassive black stars?

    8. Why stellar black stars are made up of neutron matter?

    9. Why supermassive black stars are made up of normal matter?

    10. Why the density gap, between stellar black stars and supermassive black stars, is the same as the density gap between neutron matter and normal matter?

    11. Why supermassive black stars between 50,000 and 4 million solar masses are only created with used and energy depleted star matter?

    12. Why all supermassive black stars larger than 4 million solar masses are only created in the early universe by a direct collapse of hydrogen without the interference of fusion?

    13. Why supermassive black stars are typically made before the stars in a galaxy?

    These questions cannot be answered using black holes that have a singularity, but they are answered by this model of creating black stars. The generated information agrees with observations when available. This might even be proof of the existence of black stars and the nonexistence of black holes. You can see this complete episode of black stars at:

    https://NeutronStarsAndBlackStars.com

    Comments would be appreciated.

    Thanks,

    David Clark

  • After watching a few of these animations of neutron stars coming together, I had a thought that when this sort of phenomenon occurs the spin rate and mass might be high enough to throw off small black holes in the process. Even if this isnt possible, it would make a great syfy movie or serial based on the capture and use of one or more of these small black holes as space craft engines/power source. It could be the basis for a whole new star trek style weekly show.

  • 20:27… absolute zero condensate could potentially be a solution there..? Slow things down until we get everything ready and set up in the right place and positions…then again, I think we had even better ideas for potential applications to B.E.C….

  • dark matter no scientist knows what it is of if it exists. why not just make up a substance like the comics do. oh – they did.

  • Why in the fuck do we need a black hole weapon. We haven’t even found a practical use for nukes and those may kill us 😂

  • So maybe the black hole that they think may be orbiting at the edges of our system is actually the drive from an alien generation ship and somewhere hidden out there is a giant alien ship.. Think about it maybe they saw earth using an advanced telescope but saw it several hundred to a thousand years ago when no civilization was detectable. They needed to flee an impending disaster or something. Also, it would explain why the UFOs we see are not very large They are just run-about's. If there were an alien generation ships that came here and their biology is just not quite right to live in our atmosphere, that would explain a need to gather human and animal specimens; to do bio engineering. The could even be they are aquatic. A few other possible thoughts is it is a black hole in Dyson sphere or even a worm hole end point. There is just starting to be to many real sightings lately. Check out the UFO in orbit with the ISS for 20 minutes that just all the sudden takes off away from earth and of course the navy videos.

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